Pornstars vs. Hungarian Hotties

[Jones]

I've hijacked these comments from SOS from the Models area...


When Sandy & Sophie address the camera at the beginning of their scene in Viv's Dream Team and Sandy says, "Hi...wecome to Viv's Dreamteam Babes...my name is Sandy...this is Sophie...and we're gonna make love for ya!" it's probably the best intro EVER to a porn scene, beautiful in its simplicity. Do that same type of scene with a pair of American girls, with an American porn director and the intro would have gone something like this, "Hi, welcome to Patrick Collins's Fantasic Plastic Cock Pussy Pounders...my name is Jenna...this is Jill...and we're gonna do a double dildo DP for ya!" *fade up obnoxious, blaring techno-music now*

Sad but true.

Which brings up a point I've been mulling about for some time. Point being, the scenes I've seen of Sandra, Sophie and most of the Hungarian stars aren't pornography in my mind. They're sex scenes between friends. A subjective, perhaps bogus distinction, but that's the way I see it.

Pornography (justified or not) sounds sleazy. Female pornstars in many cases look, if not sleazy, "harsh". Bleached blonde hair, horrible boob jobs, and tons of tattoos. And the males, well all I can say is YUK.

American porn resembles a factory. Thousands of lame movies are ground out every year and they all look the same. The pornstars seem like hopeless factory workers doing a job. There are exceptions of course. Jenna has made it big and seems to be on top of her game. But how many Jenna's are there? For every Jenna, there's hundreds of girls who come and go (sorry for the pun). It all seems so un-sexy.

On the other hand, Sandra and her co-stars seem like a close knit group of women who like each other, hang out together, and seem to be having a great time. I don't think of them as pornstars. There's nothing sleazy about them. On the contrary, they seem to be natural, friendly and sweet as can be. And that makes their scenes very sexy.

Now, I'm sure there's plenty of American pornstars who are nice people. But, they're stuck in an industry that's completely stale. All they seem able to do is crank up the hardcore aspect to extreme ends: "Betty Bubble Butt Bangs 500 Studs!" or "Jenny Juggs Chokes On Mister Monster Meat!" Bleah. Crappy production in some warehouse in Van Nuys with Rod Rough directing with a hand held camera 1 inch from the sex. Yeeesh.

Mind you, I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying the raunchist sex possible. Whatever floats your boat. Perhaps I'm just a sap. But, I don't know of any forums where American pornstars hang out and chat with their fans. And, if there were such a place, I wouldn't know what to say to any of them. Yet, Viv's forum seems like a happy place. And Sandra's forum is friendly, sexy and cool. A reflection of Sandra herself.

It just seems to me that the Eastern European lesbian scene is populated with fresh, gorgeous women having real sex with people they genuinely enjoy. And the people shooting their scenes ( Viv, Andrew, etc. ) are sharp enough to let the women be the stars and save the bogus special effects and hideous music tracks to the clowns in the hardcore scene.

SOS said it in far fewer words than I. But, I tend to ramble & just wanted to say what a refreshing experience it is to have these amazing Hungarian ladies put the sex back into adult films. It's not pornography and they're not pornstars IMO. They're beautiful party girls gone crazy with genuine lust. To me, that's a very exciting, very fresh experience. :)

[Frenchy]

I don't have good words of english for say my opinion exactly :mad:

But If I understand all, you think american is more "ugly" to european product if I resume !!! No ???

By this way, I'm not sure if It's true or false !!
For say "American porn resembles a factory", I totally agree, but not only in porn industry, It's factory for all style of movies !!!!

But for porn, I think depend of many things for all product, you can find different things by models, producters of movies and finally different opinions of Fans !!!!

[Jones]

I don't have good words of english for say my opinion exactly :mad:

Well, that frownie seems to indicate I've made you mad.


But If I understand all, you think american is more "ugly" to european product if I resume !!! No ???

Not exactly. I'm sure there's plenty of lame European porn. I was trying to draw a distinction between what the popular East European lesbian / bi-sexuals are doing compared to the average American product.


By this way, I'm not sure if It's true or false !!

I was speaking in general terms. In other words, there's some hardcore b/g stuff that's good on both sides of the ocean. But, I think the good stuff is an exception. Most of it is just boring or too hardcore for me.


For say "American porn resembles a factory", I totally agree, but not only in porn industry, It's factory for all style of movies !!!!

Agreed. But, where sex is concerned, I prefer some passion or at least some genuine heat. I can see a typical Hollywood film and think "Hmm, seen it." <yawn> But, if I see a sex film that's typical, I might think "Geez, that girl looked bored or maybe even upset. It turns me off completely.


But for porn, I think depend of many things for all product, you can find different things by models, producters of movies and finally different opinions of Fans !!!!

Of course. Obviously, the porn biz is making billions because people like it. For the most part, I don't. I realize I'm the exception. People should watch whatever they enjoy. And performers should have the freedom to do whatever they want. My beef is with the industry itself. The owners and producers.

For example, one of the most successful lines in American porn history is called "Dirty Debutantes." I think it's up to Volume 400 or something. It features a greasy haired, pasty white, fat slob named Ed Powers. I've seen 1 of these things and from what I've read, they're all pretty much the same. Ed mugs for the camera, then begins pawing some newcomer in a dim motel room. Before you know it, he's mounted her like a beached whale wearing black socks. In the volume I saw, 1 of Ed's newcomers was so drugged, drunk, bored or repulsed, she barely moved. Ed grunted & groaned, plowed the poor thing and jacked off all over her. Ugh. Ed's "style" is that he "loves women." He's a "nice guy." To me, he's a leering, disgusting sleazebag. It amazes me that guys like this crap.

I'd much rather see Sandra & her gal pals frolic in a nice setting and have a good time. It's natural, passionate and sexy as hell. Ed is pornographic. Sandra is sensual and very sexy. Big difference, IMO.

Like I said, maybe I'm just a sap. :icon_roll

[Frenchy]

American porn not resume by nasty products or/and few producters makes ugly movies !!!!
You find "natural, passionate and sexy as hell" in Andrew Blake or Michael Ninn movies (Andrew Blake is master :icon_bigg)

You can find many american girls begin porn and stay in porn for long time !!

European girls is different, when you take French Dutch or Italian, always different girls, in France I know only Rebecca Lord, in other lands hard find girls in porn since 10 years for example !!!
Now sure european east girls come and refresh this "industry" since 5 or 6 years, you can find Sandy of course, Sandra, Sophie in other land you can find Kyla Cole and many others !!
Perhaps now you can be FAN of european girls for long time and enjoy !!

[stacia]

American porn not resume by nasty products or/and few producters makes ugly movies !!!!
You find "natural, passionate and sexy as hell" in Andrew Blake or Michael Ninn movies (Andrew Blake is master :icon_bigg)

You can find many american girls begin porn and stay in porn for long time !!

European girls is different, when you take French Dutch or Italian, always different girls, in France I know only Rebecca Lord, in other lands hard find girls in porn since 10 years for example !!!
Now sure european east girls come and refresh this "industry" since 5 or 6 years, you can find Sandy of course, Sandra, Sophie in other land you can find Kyla Cole and many others !!
Perhaps now you can be FAN of european girls for long time and enjoy !!

I agree with you, ATT! Andrew Blake rocks! :icon_peac I forgot about Rebecca Lord! I like her a lot--I have a few of her films (and she actually lives here in Las Vegas!)

But, since being introduced to the world of Eurobabes just a few months ago, I see NO reason to go back to American porn. Okay, well, there are SOME American girls that I will always like. Most recently, I've really, really been into Julia Ann. But, Euro and American lesbian scenes are SO different. I think in the U.S., they are aimed more towards pleasing the male audience, but Europeans always seem to remember their female audience! Hey, girls love porn, too! :)

[Jones]

American porn not resume by nasty products or/and few producters makes ugly movies !!!!
You find "natural, passionate and sexy as hell" in Andrew Blake or Michael Ninn movies (Andrew Blake is master :icon_bigg)

Yes, I saw an Andrew Blake movie several years ago. It was surprisingly well shot and everybody looked great. I'm not familiar with Michael Ninn.


You can find many american girls begin porn and stay in porn for long time !!

Some do. I think you have to stick around to make any money.


European girls is different, when you take French Dutch or Italian, always different girls, in France I know only Rebecca Lord, in other lands hard find girls in porn since 10 years for example !!!

Interesting. I suppose it's a cultural thing. Europeans seem to be much more relaxed about sex as opposed to Americans. Maybe European girls do some porn for fun or to make money to do something else & then leave?


Now sure european east girls come and refresh this "industry" since 5 or 6 years, you can find Sandy of course, Sandra, Sophie in other land you can find Kyla Cole and many others !!
Perhaps now you can be FAN of european girls for long time and enjoy !!

I'm attracted to all sorts of women from all over the world. But, there's something about the East European women that really excites me. I think it's simply their natural charm. There's an honest seduction to Sandra's smile and Sophie's sweet but naughty look is killer. And Sandy's just so sexy, she burns her image right into your psyche.

Yeah, I guess you could say I'm a fan. :icon_yes:

[Sandra Shine]

I don`t know what else to say!!
You all said it just the way I wanted to! :icon_peac

[Frenchy]

I don`t know what else to say!!
You all said it just the way I wanted to! :icon_peac
It's just another pretext for say Sandra IS THE BEST ::bowdown:

[Sandra Shine]

It's just another pretext for say Sandra IS THE BEST ::bowdown:

Thanks ATT :icon_peac

[deftoneg]

to me the real difference between American pornstars and East Europe erotic models is...

American flicks are sometimes sooooo dumb... you think you are getting a porn movie with action and some drama and then you see that the movie have comedy on it... the performers are so un-professional some times that you can see in a flick when they cut the scene like 5 times to get the right shots. The girls seem a big part of the times that they are actually doing the job for the money and not for the pleassure of sex... having sex, there is a few girls who can perform in the right way and even when it is about a b/g hardcore scene they get the cumshot part and it only give you like ten seconds before they go to the next scene... That totally sucks... and If you havent noticed the female pornstars have envy between each other even if they said that is not true is true... they are all fighting with each other to get contracts with the bigest producers and the sad part is that the bigest porn companys doesnt make good porn.

European girls in the other way, they are like models... mainstream models, the girl who is a model in US and get contact to do porn and says something like "no thats nasty and horrible"... forget about that bitch... european girls are hotter... and I want to clear that I am not only making reference about Sandra and her girlfriends,,, I am talking about other pornstars from europe too, like; Julia Taylor, Lenka Gaborova, Laura Angel, Eva Black AKA Mercedes, Michelle Wild, Patricia Diamond, Stacy Silver, Lanny Barbie, and the list go and go and go... this girls really enjoy sex and thats the great thing... american pornstars say "uuuuu I like to have nasty and rough sex... yeaaaah... do nasty stuff with me"... and when someone try to fuck their assholes they push them appart... see. Now the European girls are just the girls of pleassure... they have pleassure with their jobs and they get money from it.

Sandra is a good example of this... she get probably a lot of contracts to do hardcore b/g scenes but she make them aside because she doesnt want to do something that doesnt giver her pleassure... and she does only hardcore g/g scenes. (but I like to believe that she doesnt make any more b/g scenes because I dont like to see her with another dude instead of me but... sorry misspoint)... she does what she likes and... AND... get paid good money for it... that deserves a big round of aplause and a cheer...
come on... everybody...
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[Frenchy]

Not absolutely agree with 2 first part, but I give already my opinion !!
For last part, I join you and:
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With some :love::love: of course !!
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[Harley]

to me the real difference between American pornstars and East Europe erotic models is...

American flicks are sometimes sooooo dumb...

Haha,that is the truth.
I live in America,and yes,the porns are so damn dumb. It is so much more of a laugher than anything. There is just no reason to really like it unless you are one of those people that think it is supposed to be just hardcore sex. But the sad part is(as was mentioned) that the scenes are all cut together. Filming 10 seconds,stopping,filming more,stopping,then the moneyshot alot of times has to be "set up" just perfectly so it looks good on camera. It is so pitiful. And the girls ain't nothin to brag about.

I agree,the girls like Sandra,Eve,Sophie, and on,all look so much better naturally than the "typical pornstar". They look great,wether they are nude,dressed,dressed sexy,or whatever. I used to have this picture set of Sandra a few years back(and maybe SHE can help me out here) that had her just posing,on a bed,hardly any makeup,very "amateur looking" set. She was wearing some kind of skirt that buttoned in the front(maybe) and a shirt(yellow?). But it was so natural looking,and she looked so nice and innocent(kinda,lol). We just don't have much of that here. A fully dressed Sandra is 100 times better than a nude American pornstar.

P.S. Sorry for rambling on. :icon_lol:

[Frenchy]

I can't share your opinion !!
You can't compare European & American movies !!
For lesbians stuff cause I enterested only by this subject, hardcore B/G you can find many many poor movies in Europe like America !!
How many real producter works on lesbians movies style in Europe ??
In america you can find many more, but In Europe It's really hard !! Now we have Viv Thomas, you can say others ??? (carefull don't say Editor make best of not excactly the same things)

Ok you can say prefer quality to quantity !! But It's normal you find more bad stuff in america !!

In classic movie, I love an actor with many movies, but all movies are not good and you want compare with actor make only 4 movies and It's good movies !! It's the same way of reflexion !!