The three Ds

[Razor]

Hi Sweetie;

Personally, I'd say anything that degrades, dehumanizes or is disrespectful to woman is too much.

I know it's not easy to define exactly what is dehumanizing, degrading or disrespectful... Everyone has a different threshold for things, personally, I have a strong dislike for hardcore bondage... I don’t see anything remotely erotic about a woman being trussed up a thanksgiving turkey with a ball gag in her mouth and dildo stuffed up her :icon_cens .

Anyway good luck with your new site... Knowing you it'll be spectacular. :)

Szerelem és csókol ;

Jeff

[Frenchy]

It's not really sweet !!!
You think so bad !!

You don't take some stuff like game !
It's not question to dehumanizes or something evil !!

If you like this sort of Scene:
http://www.dreamingwith.com/themes/DreamingWith/images/AllAbout/Butterfly-8.jpg

You perveted ??????

You perveted if you think possible find pleasure to see that ?
And yes I want to say I'm perveted and I can say why not see Sandra dominated by other girls !!! You stay always beautiful and I think you always good person !!

[Razor]

Michel, I don't have a problem with scenes like the one between Sandra and May in Butterfly. What I'm talking is stuff like this (http://www.sandrashinelive.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=891&d=1138137546). Personally, I think things like that are degrading.

[Sandra Shine]

Yes, I agree with you in HC bondage, Raz.
The pic Michel showing is a softcore erotic way of sexy bondage.
I like that kind of stuff.
And to answer Michels question, yes, I am a pervert :D

[Frenchy]

I don't know !!
Always the same things, all people are different !!

For me It's not degrading !!
Just attached girl ...
Mhhh ...
No ...
It's attached Sandra, and I'm sure love that too little bit, if not I'm not sure take this shoot !!

Ok, I play with you !! I begin to perveted with you !!
Thank you Sandra for create this nice place, I can be perveted with members :icon_yes: !

Sandra you want to be my capture girl ?? :icon_drib

[Frenchy]

Yes, I agree with you in HC bondage, Raz.
The pic Michel showing is a softcore erotic way of sexy bondage.
I like that kind of stuff.
And to answer Michels question, yes, I am a pervert :D
Oups I miss your answer !!!
Really Sandra, you think really is degrading ??
Perhaps, I don't have same level of degrading too !!

MMhhh, then like that, you are perverse too you Sandra !!!;)

[Razor]

Yes, I agree with you in HC bondage, Raz.
The pic Michel showing is a softcore erotic way of sexy bondage.
I like that kind of stuff.So do I Sweetie... That was a very sexy scene in very sexy movie BTW. ;)


And to answer Michels question, yes, I am a pervert :DAren't we all on some level? :icon_yes:

[stacia]

I've always been torn when it comes to bondage. Sometimes I think it's really sexy, and other times it disgusts me. Although I think that sometimes there is nothing hotter than totally surrendering your body and soul to someone, other times in bondage scenes, the girls look like they want to either throw up or cry (or both). However, from a business standpoint, I know there certainly are people out there who like this kind of stuff (hardcore bondage). I'm just not sure how it should be handled. I'm not sure if Sandra should give them what they want, or rely on other sites to give it to them. But, her site, her decision, I say. :)

[Razor]

Hey Michel, different strokes for different folks. Everyone has different threshold for they find degrading or offensive, my personal views on the issue are in some way colored by my experiences as police officer.

I realize some people like that sort of thing... It's simply not my cup of tee.

[ange_r]

Hardcore bondage is not attractive because it reminds me of rape. I guess it kind of depends on the women as well; whether they're into it or not. But I did enjoy the scene with Sandra in Butterfly as well as Vera and Stella Stevens in The Office Girl (although I don't know if you would call that bondage). Blindfolds and hand-tying are enough for me.

[stacia]

Hardcore bondage is not attractive because it reminds me of rape. I guess it kind of depends on the women as well; whether they're into it or not. But I did enjoy the scene with Sandra in Butterfly as well as Vera and Stella Stevens in The Office Girl (although I don't know if you would call that bondage). Blindfolds and hand-tying are enough for me.

I agree with you, Angela. I was going to bring up the rape factor. I personally think a rape scene is NEVER acceptable. I don't care if the girl is laughing, smiling from ear to ear screaming "I love this!!!" Hell no.

For me, softcore bondage is okay (it depends on my mood, but it's not something I seek out to watch), but hardcore bondage just isn't for me.

I think bondage scenes of any kind must rely on mutual consent. That's the most important thing. Sure, I've been tied up by girls and loved it. Other times, I wasn't in the mood, and had girls try to tie me up, and that completely ruined the mood. I will always ask a girl first if I can tie her up, etc...if she says no, then that's fine with me.

[Frenchy]

I don't know !!
Always the same things, all people are different !!
=

Hey Michel, different strokes for different folks. Everyone has different threshold for they find degrading or offensive, ...

[Frenchy]

I think bondage by request stuff or scene of butterfly, It's the same things !!
Different but really not hardcore !!
Or I don't know what is hardcore !!

You can say hardcore for this:
http://promo.wiredpussy.com/g/3384/3353/i/15/h/
http://promo.wiredpussy.com/g/3384/3387/i/15/h/

And degrading for that: (careful I don't like this, but I must find an exemple)
http://www.iagals.com/bhb/vids/018ur/

But really a girl attached with a dildos in pussy, I think really not hardcore, and definitely not degrading !!

[Razor]

I think bondage by request stuff or scene of butterfly, It's the same things !!
Different but really not hardcore !!
Or I don't know what is hardcore !!

You can say hardcore for this:
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And degrading for that: (careful I don't like this, but I must find an exemple)
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But really a girl attached with a dildos in pussy, I think really not hardcore, and definitely not degrading !!:icon_yike Whoa... Michel, Umm... Err... Those are so far across the line I'm a little surprised you posted them.

That said generally speaking anything that involves penetration is hardcore.

[Frenchy]

:icon_yike Whoa... Michel, Umm... Err... Those are so far across the line I'm a little surprised you posted them.

That said generally speaking anything that involves penetration is hardcore.
I say I must find exemple !! I'm not really enjoy post that for explain degrading !!
And penetration is not hardcore, :icon_bigg Is porn !
Or you say all sex movie are hardcore !!

[Razor]

I say I must find exemple !! I'm not really enjoy post that for explain degrading !!
And penetration is not hardcore, :icon_bigg Is porn !
Or you say all sex movie are hardcore !!You didn't need to find pictures to explain what you find degrading... Everyone has a different threshold for what they find degrading. :)

Personally, yes I consider anything that involves penetration to be hardcore... I know that's subjective but most everything in this discussion is subjective. :)

[stacia]

Whoa, Michel, girls licking toilets? That's a new one for me! I know you're not into that, but I can't believe some people would be. I would KILL my daughter if I ever saw her doing that on a site.

[Razor]

Whoa, Michel, girls licking toilets? That's a new one for me! I know you're not into that, but I can't believe some people would be. I would KILL my daughter if I ever saw her doing that on a site.Shoot Stacia, that's tame compared to some of the things I've seen in real life... Girl there are some truly twisted people in this world. :icon_yike

As and aside, the other things a really hate are gang bangs and bukkake scenes. :icon_evil

[Wild Honey]

Oh man Razor you keep talking about things you've seen and you keep giving me flasbacks of things i've seen. Here is a funny for you.:cuppp:

I was riding with the fire department as a medic and we were responding to a scene with the police. There was a woman in a trailer park ( Clue number one) screaming her head off. All we could hear was HELP!:icon_yike So the cops decide to kick in the door. One of the cops came back and got me saying girl you are going to love this one!:icon_bigg A guy tied his girlfriend up naked and had a Batman outfit with the crotch cut out and the smart individual that he was decided to jump on top of her(Clue Number Two).Boys and girls this is never a good idea. He climbed on top of his dresser and attempted to jump onto the bed only to be smacked unconcious by a ceiling fan going full blast. So we took him to the hospital in his crotchless Batman outfit.:icon_yes:

[ange_r]

Oh man Razor you keep talking about things you've seen and you keep giving me flasbacks of things i've seen. Here is a funny for you.:cuppp:

I was riding with the fire department as a medic and we were responding to a scene with the police. There was a woman in a trailer park ( Clue number one) screaming her head off. All we could hear was HELP!:icon_yike So the cops decide to kick in the door. One of the cops came back and got me saying girl you are going to love this one!:icon_bigg A guy tied his girlfriend up naked and had a Batman outfit with the crotch cut out and the smart individual that he was decided to jump on top of her(Clue Number Two).Boys and girls this is never a good idea. He climbed on top of his dresser and attempted to jump onto the bed only to be smacked unconcious by a ceiling fan going full blast. So we took him to the hospital in his crotchless Batman outfit.:icon_yes:

That's fucking hilarious. Oh man, that must've been humiliating.

[Razor]

Oh man Razor you keep talking about things you've seen and you keep giving me flasbacks of things i've seen. Here is a funny for you.:cuppp:

I was riding with the fire department as a medic and we were responding to a scene with the police. There was a woman in a trailer park ( Clue number one) screaming her head off. All we could hear was HELP!:icon_yike So the cops decide to kick in the door. One of the cops came back and got me saying girl you are going to love this one!:icon_bigg A guy tied his girlfriend up naked and had a Batman outfit with the crotch cut out and the smart individual that he was decided to jump on top of her(Clue Number Two).Boys and girls this is never a good idea. He climbed on top of his dresser and attempted to jump onto the bed only to be smacked unconcious by a ceiling fan going full blast. So we took him to the hospital in his crotchless Batman outfit.:icon_yes:OMG... LOL... ROFLMAO (literally)... Honey, you made my day with that one.

Those are the incidents I like to remember unfortunately, the ones I remember, the ones I have nightmares about are the ugly ones... I spent to most of my law enforcement career investigating crimes against women and children... That doesn't make for good memories. :(

[Shine On Sandra]

Unfortunately, MOST things in porn are too much for me, which is why I dislike at least 90% of it, including a lot of Viv Thomas's material, and much of the stuff by my favorite eurobabes (e.g. ClubSandy). Anilingus, for example, can be erotic, but it's something that can ruin an otherwise erotic setpiece very quickly. A good example was Vera's ass-diving in Office Girls where she does the Keri-Windsor-meets-Tom-Byron's-Ass-Eaters-Unanimous thing by seeing how far she can get her tongue up some girl's booth seat. Very porn-like, unsubtle, exhibitionistic stuff that turns me off because it makes me think the models and/or directors are putting on a show for the camera, and that this is JUST porn Thankfully this was off-set by a far more erotic encounter between Lisa & Stella in the same film where Stella sweetly kisses her way down Lisa's back before tasting her ring. One of the more realistic & sensual mouth-to-ass scenes in a Viv Thomas catalog that is otherwise loaded with out-of-the-blue, incongruous rimjob moments.

Light to medium bondage is appealing, and the Sandra/May scene in Butterfly is good until May whips out the vibrator that looks like a steel hypodermic or a steel hypodermic that looks like a vibrator. VERY unerotic, these weird, funky vibrating toys the girls seem addicted to. IT"s TOO MUCH! Sophie Moone once did a scene with Sandra for ATKPremium that involved a transparent small box-shape vibrator device so we could see her cervix as she cums. SAY NO TO GYNOPORN! All together now: IT'S TOO MUCH!

And one more thing: close-ups of a c**t or a gaping rosebud for many minutes straight is another thing that strikes me as Too Pervert. In porn, you've seen one cooch, you've seen 'em all. I'd rather see a pretty face contorting in orgasm than a Warhol-esque static shot of The Holland Tunnel for 8 hours. Faces are like snowflakes... no two are the same. Vaginas too, but they all look the same in porn, having the conch form factor . Why am I even watching porn? *shrug* I should just seal myself in a plastic bubble, paint it black, and call it "Mother."

~SOS~

[ange_r]

Light to medium bondage is appealing, and the Sandra/May scene in Butterfly is good until May whips out the vibrator that looks like a steel hypodermic or a steel hypodermic that looks like a vibrator. VERY unerotic, these weird, funky vibrating toys the girls seem addicted to. IT"s TOO MUCH! Sophie Moone once did a scene with Sandra for ATKPremium that involved a transparent small box-shape vibrator device so we could see her cervix as she cums. SAY NO TO GYNOPORN! All together now: IT'S TOO MUCH!

And one more thing: close-ups of a c**t or a gaping rosebud for many minutes straight is another thing that strikes me as Too Pervert. In porn, you've seen one cooch, you've seen 'em all. I'd rather see a pretty face contorting in orgasm than a Warhol-esque static shot of The Holland Tunnel for 8 hours. Faces are like snowflakes... no two are the same. Vaginas too, but they all look the same in porn, having the conch form factor . Why am I even watching porn? *shrug* I should just seal myself in a plastic bubble, paint it black, and call it "Mother."

~SOS~

I have to agree with most of your post. I don't understand why people put the most random objects up there. I say, just stick to your natural, God-given instruments. Vibrators are alright as long as they're not scary looking. Baseball bats, bottles, fruits, vegetables, etc. don't belong in a woman's body.

I remember on givemepink.com where they injected some sort of liquid just to see it squirt back out--not appealing. And what the hell is the point of that clear plastic thing (I think it's called a speculum??)? We don't really need to see that deep into a vagina, thanks.

Fisting's another thing. I don't know; to me, that seems like it's messing with the anatomy of a woman. Is that even safe? Even though the models seem to enjoy it, I make an uneasy face every time.

[Razor]

I have to agree with most of your post. I don't understand why people put the most random objects up there. I say, just stick to your natural, God-given instruments. Vibrators are alright as long as they're not scary looking. Baseball bats, bottles, fruits, vegetables, etc. don't belong in a woman's body.

I remember on givemepink.com where they injected some sort of liquid just to see it squirt back out--not appealing. And what the hell is the point of that clear plastic thing (I think it's called a speculum??)? We don't really need to see that deep into a vagina, thanks.

Fisting's another thing. I don't know; to me, that seems like it's messing with the anatomy of a woman. Is that even safe? Even though the models seem to enjoy it, I make an uneasy face every time.Hey Angela, I'm afraid Maggie and I are going to have to mostly agree with you and SOS. You've pretty much covered everything we don't like in porn.

I’ll just say this we both liked the Sandra/May scene in Butterfly better than the Britney/Lolita/Sandra scene... That whole stop in the middle to get the toys thing was just so “pornish”, personally I think it would have been more natural and whole lot hotter if Britney and Lolita had turned their attentions on Sandra at that point.

[mastadon76]

Michel, I don't have a problem with scenes like the one between Sandra and May in Butterfly. What I'm talking is stuff like this (http://www.sandrashinelive.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=891&d=1138137546). Personally, I think things like that are degrading.

um,based on the video she enjoyed herself immensely.so how is it degrading in any way?

as long as it's consensual there's nothing wrong or bad about it.

[Razor]

um,based on the video she enjoyed herself immensely.so how is it degrading in any way?

as long as it's consensual there's nothing wrong or bad about it.As I said elsewhere in this thread different strokes for different folks... Everyone has different threshold for what they find degrading or offensive, stuff like that just isn’t my cup of tea.

Peace, Out,.

[CrazyCop]

Michel, I don't have a problem with scenes like the one between Sandra and May in Butterfly. What I'm talking is stuff like this (http://www.sandrashinelive.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=891&d=1138137546). Personally, I think things like that are degrading. Hmmmmmm

I wouldn't say, for me, that that is not as far as degrading.......but definitely disrespectful.

I mean, well, I'm not tooooo big on seeing women playing with toys (exit the dildo, lol), and Sandra has very attractive legs. And where are they? Tied and strung up.....thats where.

So.......I guess what I'm saying here is: Sandra's pussy and legs are not getting the respect they deserve = Disrespectful (One of Jeff's 3 Ds).

[Trish]

WH, this story is awesome! I've finally stopped laughing enough to post how funny I thought it was... embarrassing, but damn funny! :icon_lol:

T.


Oh man Razor you keep talking about things you've seen and you keep giving me flasbacks of things i've seen. Here is a funny for you.:cuppp:

I was riding with the fire department as a medic and we were responding to a scene with the police. There was a woman in a trailer park ( Clue number one) screaming her head off. All we could hear was HELP!:icon_yike So the cops decide to kick in the door. One of the cops came back and got me saying girl you are going to love this one!:icon_bigg A guy tied his girlfriend up naked and had a Batman outfit with the crotch cut out and the smart individual that he was decided to jump on top of her(Clue Number Two).Boys and girls this is never a good idea. He climbed on top of his dresser and attempted to jump onto the bed only to be smacked unconcious by a ceiling fan going full blast. So we took him to the hospital in his crotchless Batman outfit.:icon_yes:

[Sandra Shine]

Unfortunately, MOST things in porn are too much for me, which is why I dislike at least 90% of it, including a lot of Viv Thomas's material, and much of the stuff by my favorite eurobabes (e.g. ClubSandy). Anilingus, for example, can be erotic, but it's something that can ruin an otherwise erotic setpiece very quickly. A good example was Vera's ass-diving in Office Girls where she does the Keri-Windsor-meets-Tom-Byron's-Ass-Eaters-Unanimous thing by seeing how far she can get her tongue up some girl's booth seat. Very porn-like, unsubtle, exhibitionistic stuff that turns me off because it makes me think the models and/or directors are putting on a show for the camera, and that this is JUST porn Thankfully this was off-set by a far more erotic encounter between Lisa & Stella in the same film where Stella sweetly kisses her way down Lisa's back before tasting her ring. One of the more realistic & sensual mouth-to-ass scenes in a Viv Thomas catalog that is otherwise loaded with out-of-the-blue, incongruous rimjob moments.

Light to medium bondage is appealing, and the Sandra/May scene in Butterfly is good until May whips out the vibrator that looks like a steel hypodermic or a steel hypodermic that looks like a vibrator. VERY unerotic, these weird, funky vibrating toys the girls seem addicted to. IT"s TOO MUCH! Sophie Moone once did a scene with Sandra for ATKPremium that involved a transparent small box-shape vibrator device so we could see her cervix as she cums. SAY NO TO GYNOPORN! All together now: IT'S TOO MUCH!

And one more thing: close-ups of a c**t or a gaping rosebud for many minutes straight is another thing that strikes me as Too Pervert. In porn, you've seen one cooch, you've seen 'em all. I'd rather see a pretty face contorting in orgasm than a Warhol-esque static shot of The Holland Tunnel for 8 hours. Faces are like snowflakes... no two are the same. Vaginas too, but they all look the same in porn, having the conch form factor . Why am I even watching porn? *shrug* I should just seal myself in a plastic bubble, paint it black, and call it "Mother."

~SOS~


I can agree on most things you say but unfortunately untill there are more guys loving HC porn then the ones who adore softcore you will see more strange looking vibrating monsters on scene. Although some of them is a great feelingthey can look horrible, yes :icon_yes: